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I’ve had the same problem with my main (70 hunter). When in a group with a tank whoan not hold aggro (our lvl 70 warrior guild leader, no less) I have run into a problem of casionally stealing aggro. Everything I’ve read is use omen threat meter. I installed it last night just before I logged off, so haven’t tried it yet. That way though, If you see that you arelimbing the aggrohart, youan bk off to give the tank time to re-establish. Link to this Sep 23rd 2008 9:04am Edited: Sep 23rd 2008 9:06am : Logged Reply to this xNturnalSunxSage2910 Eellent I’d suggest downloading a threat meter of some type, like Omen. It’ll help you see whether or not you’re going to pull aggro off of the tank (if they have omen too, ofourse). If you think you’re going to pull off, just stop attking, and allow the tank to generate more threat. That’s pretty mh the gist of it. As for stonlaw, never drop it in a group (unless it’s a last resort and you’re running away… i.e. the tank dies). But even then, it’d probably be best to drop earthbind to run away. Depending on the group makeup determines what totems to drop. If I have a melee heavy group, I’ll either drop GoA or Windfury (oe again, it depends). WoA for ranged andasters. Personally, if I’m in the group with the tank, I like to drop Strength of Earth. Perhaps that’s just me though. Edit: To Seminewb, hunters have a mh easier way to aggro dump… Feign Death. Unfortunately, unlike hunters, or rogues with Feint, shammies really don’t have anything to instantly drop aggro.

ik this probly has been ed but iant sort through all this stuff and find a straight answer. will ele shamans be able to dps in warth at all,are they even on par with lets say a moonkin other then the whole aoe spells or is it not even worth play shaman…. i either wanna pla a balae druid or a ele shaman but i just dont know where shamans stand… thank you sorry if this has been ed b4 Link to this 1 reply t 11th 2008 2:23am : Logged Reply to this Jiadeholar2079 Good At the moment… no. : At least not from EVERY parse I’ve seen. Elemental is a good 30% below “normal” dps and almost 50% belowlasses that areonsidered brokenOP. The thing is that dev’s are saying elemental is too strong so… unless they are seeing something that has NEVER been seen in any parse or every single elemental shaman on beta is terrible, then things are looking grim.I’m new to the shamanlass and I love the enhaement sp! However, it’s so different from every otherlass I’ve played, I’ve had a lot of questions. I’ve found the answer to most, but Ian’t seem to find anything aboutontrolling your own aggro during a group. DPSers thatonstantly steal aggro are the bane of my priest’s existae. I don’t want to be one of those people. I have not yet done a 5 man with my shaman, I don’t even know how mh of an issue it will be, but I would like to be prepared, rather thanonsternate my group. So are there any trks Ian do to keep off the aggro? I did read somewhere not to use frostshk, but other than that I didn’t find anything. Also, is it ceptable to throw down a Stonlaw totem, or will that just annoy the tank? Link to this 18 replies Sep 23rd 2008 9:00am : Logged Reply to this seminewbholar44 Default

IF YOU DON’T WANT A LONG, POINTLESS STORY ROLL DOWN…. Quk bkground. I rolled a sham a long time ago and got him to the mid 40s. After bordom on my mage I went ahead and lvled him up to 70 whh I hit a few weeks ago. I haven’t done PvE in a long while (mage is PvP only). My shams guild has everything up to BT on farm and we’re just gearing some people up for Wrath. So what this really means is that I don’t know mh about shams…. or healing for that matter. I have 45 T4, 1600 healing, and have probably ran heros 3 or 4 times, kara oe, and gruuls oe. I’ve played for a long time, sham is my 4th 70, and know how to spam Jesus beams as a raid healer. What I don’t know is how in the world I’m going to sp in 3.0 with only being a lvl 70. If I want to get to the bottom of the tree I’m going to have to leave stuff out and I really don’t know what to bail on. …TO HERE. What’s a good resto build for 3.0?3.0 Resto Build Now the 3 points in aestral awakening are optional. Thoseould go in Healing Way just as easily. I figured… what the hell, let’s play with that new talent. lol Aestral Awakening is very situational and may not even pr during an entire raid due to how often weast single target heals. I really think that’s probably the best raiding buildome 3.0 though (with minorhanges for personal preferee).Resto Build for PVP Nature’s Guardian (passive survivability). Fused Mind (for silee). Healing Gre (dispel resist). rit based mana regencrit talents. Blessing of the Eternals for Earthliving Hot when low. Rtide for on the run healinghot. Shamanist fus to lower theost of Wind ShkEarth Shk. Instant ghost wolf for mobility and guardian totems for grounding totemooldown. To get everything you truly wantneed for pvp, that leaves only 3 points for Thundering Strikes. But I feel the 2%rit loss from not having it maxed is worth the points elsewhere. 2%rit does you very little good if you don’t live long enough to heal. Healing Wave won’t be very useful if you use the Lesser healing wave glyph bause there is very little reason toast HW aside from with Nature’s Swiftness. This is the same reason you wouldn’t take healing way. If Rtide prs Tidal Waves, the differee inast time is minimal too. 30% haste off of a 3sast is a bigger redtion than 30% haste off of a 2.5sast. True it would be faster overall with the 2.5sast, but not as signifant. tually swap two points from Tidal Mastery to Thundering Strikes. That improves Flame Shk, Earth Shk, AND Frost Shk with the same bonus to your healing and lightning spells. Improved PVP Build

I think all that time spent on the O-boards haslouded you mind Goggy. I read the first two pages of both links. I was responding to your not that whh is ed on the Oboards. Goggy wrote:I’ve only been in a raiding guild for a short time, if you’re wondering why I’m only just finishing Naxx! The number of times I had to swih to S or step bk from the fight and heal myself is a joke. The only time you should really be in that position is on Gluth and Thaddius. If you die on Thaddius it means someone has probablyrossedharges and if your using DBM on Gluth you should know when he is going to dimate. Show me a fight in Naxx Goggy where you will go from 100% to death only due to SotM roil damage? If there was sh a fight then this top would be moot and Blizzard would do away with the roil damage. The O-boards are for QQing therefore I rarely read anything from there unless itsoming from a reliable Alla er here. The only thread that I would link to ers from the O-boards is that hilarious shaman pvp . If youant see all the flamers, QQers and trolls on those forums there then you are blind. Goggy wrote:The issue is not whether I am top of the DPS, it is that ft that to be mid-table I have to take damage bause I need to use SotMSoB. No otherlass has to do this. If you knew what Ret Paladin dps was like before SotM, the threat fixes and all the other buffs we were given sie then you wouldn’t be blaming it for your fail dps in raids. Youromplaining that roil damage is hurting your dps when it isurrently your best way to regenerate mana via spirital attunement and raid heals. Your inability to finish Naxx off has nothing to do with theurrent design of Ret dps. One other thing. I like the others here don’tare for your ratedown threats. Rate me down if you like. Going by the ratings and who is flaming who in this thread its easy to see who should be opening up a an of STFU]. Here is a link to that shaman for those of you who havent seen it yet.

ok, you really want this staying to the OP… very well. this will be long, and i’m sorry… most of you won’tare, but Goggy, please stay with me… i’m going to adress the OP whh is what you want diussion on. Ahfiend Goggy wrote:Started by the EJ guys on the O-Boards, now spans 20 pages with otherlasses agreeing it should be removed. If you’d like to lend your weight it is here: forums.worldofwaraftomthread.htm…mp;pageNo=1 first of all, i start right off and really don’t want to read it any further…

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OT please.Up until a month ago I was dpsing in a great 10man Naxx group. There was me and one other Ret and we wouldonsistently be top dps. The only thing holding us bk from more dps on what I wouldonsider a normal fight was threat. If we didnt manage Hand Of Salv we would posiibly have to bk off. Our tank was well geared and skilled. I’m not sure whats happened sie then but as far as I know (having respced bk aouple of times from prot for EoE raids) nothing has reallyhanged. Yes my dps isnt as high asasters in EoE but thats understandableonsidering the design of the fight. If all they did was remove the roil damage SoBSotM would be way too OP. Youant fix what aint broke. If our dps slides that mh then they will fix it. I haven’t tested out the differee on the ptr butomparingurrent Ret dps to what it was in The Burningrusade Ian safely say this: Less QQ moar pew pew. equ Impregnable Shield of the Ratedown OP. Looking at your gear you may have lots of shiny purples but 5 pies that youan get from heros that would be way better. At least get the T7 gloves for the 2set bonus. I bet you wouldnt beomplaining about roil damage if you were sitting higher up the dps meters. Erm you’re heading for rate downs for aomplete inability to read or understand the subjt. This is not about me, did you evenlk on the links to EJ or the o-boards? In answer to your OP statement about SoB I would suggest you take the time to read some WWS, just peruse some of the timed-runs for free on the front page, then report bk with how many ret palas are topping the DPSharts. However, on that point, whh I’ll make as you haven’t read the arguments, It’s not about making ret palas top of the DPS, it’s keeping them at a happy medium, whh is pretty mh where they are now, but without the handap of roil damage.

Lifeblooms are slowly boming obsolete, and with 3.1 around theorner and aonsiderablehange to the futionality of the spell in regards to it’s effiey, will rapidly bome so 3.1. Regrowthan easily bome a primary ftor in a Druid’s overall eounter healing primarily bause it is still our most effient healing spell. Even with the nerfoming torithae, you’re still going to see Regrowth top the meter with the addition of Nourish. You’re going to start seeing very few Druid’s using lifebloom, or just using it situationally. As it is, I’m trying to ween myself away from it bause it’s simply not going to be a very effient way of healing. It will be a situational spell. The problem is Blizz is balaing lifebloom so that a Druid has no ientive to roll on multle tanks. However, espially in 10-manontent, slow-rolling a single tank and wasting the D’s toast the spell is going to leave your tank with slow prodtion of HPMoming in from you bause you’re wasting your time on a spell that A) Is now high maintanee B) Isn’t worth the slow build up ofoeffient vs. mana usage and) Youannot predt the bloom’s usage…therefore youannot rely on it often toounter spike damage. With the addition of the Nourish Glyph, and the effiey of Rejuv and Regrowth, it’s a whole new game of healing for Druids. We’ll still have “some” mobility, and WG is extremely effient for splash damage (espially for melee around the tank on small hitbox bosses). But you’re going to see a lot less LB rolling and a lot more Multi-HoT Nourish buffing going on. That means single HoT’s to boost Nourish, and letting them expire for mana return on thatostly LB.

Hmm…ouldn’t find the graph i wanted, but I found this link that spells it out quite nely. blue.mmohampionom210043168…e-read.html About half way down the page is a nourish vs. glyphed+talented regrowthomparison with some good responses. The 2860hps reported there for Regrowth (whh is +spell dependent as always…) seems to perform quite well as a go-to heal asompared to the other dirt heals. As you already knew RG isn’t as mana effient as LB or RJ (druid.wikispesomResto_Endgame_Healing) it’ll put out a good amount more HPS. Again perhaps another reason you are getting “out-healed” if no-one is OOMing, she using a higher HPS spell. Though I’m still leaning towards the gear explanation i wouldn’t be surprised if this isontributing as well… Didrianna have any partular reason she was using a RG heavy rotation?

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Personally, in ToL form, Regrowth is my bread-and-butter; for the tank at least. (That said, I hadn’t heard about the nerf to Imp. Regrowth ries*). Personally, I dislike stking Lifebloom, but that’s me – Ionsider Lifebloom and Regrowth to be eh-0there’s antithesis. That is to say, Regrowth is Dirt heal then HoT, wheras lifebloom is the other way round. Put the two on top of eh other, and you have two dirt heals thrown in there. As for splash damage, then I do tend to use lifebloom. Regrowth if a biggie is needed. But yes, youertiainly do want to arrange healing and not heal over eh other. This will be getting even more important in 3.1, with the mana regen nerfsoming out and effiey boming important.Lay, First, I’d have to say my healing style is similar to yours; i.e. protive stking of HoTs with swiftmend (glyphed) and regrowth used to address damage spikes, and Wild Growth for AoE damage. I find the extraushion RJ and LB provide gives me more time to ret tohanging situations. My top heals tend to be RJ, LB, then either RG or WG depending how mh AoE damage people are taking. In my wife’s guild the druid healer uses a similar rotation when doing 10-mans. Druid stks HoTs on MT then turns to raid healing, whh tends to be WG and RG, while a holy pally throws big heals on MTOT. However I’ve heard that a glyphed re-growth isn’t tually that bad of a heal HPM and HPS wise (really wishing Iould find that graph!), and I’ve met other druids that heal mainly with RG, though I’ve never worked side-by-side with them before. Personally though, I feel moreomfortable addressing the damage before hand then waiting for it to cumulate and using a big heal in response. I’ve hadoerns about my ineffiey (over-healing) in the past with doing this Ian’t say that going OOM is a problem, though we’ll see what happens with the LBhanges… As to address what you are seeing on the meters, from what Ian see I suspt the main differee in healing is gear. For example she has 10% more spellpower then you (while not giving up any mp5), so I’m not overly surprised that you are getting “out-healed” on the meter. However like others have said, as long as no-one is dying or going OOM there isn’t really to mh of a problem right now, but I’m sure you’ll want to be as prepared as possible when fing harderontent. I’m guessing as you get a few better pies of gear and the differee in healing will start to disappear. Good lk out there!

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“After a dangerous journey in this trip, called the Valley of the small dwarf Cyangugu was not only a dream of a huge sum of money, but also become the world’s only dwarf Paladin.” Having said that, a black-bearded old dwarf stop the thread of her conversation made from the arms of a cigarette out, knocked in the knee until the color quality of the tobacco white the line before stretching lit up in flames. Mars red that point, seemed to many a dark night then out fireflies. Sitting on the side of the fire dwarves smoking man smoking a nose, a little authentic pleasure: “This coupon has the North Taste smoke ah, really familiar.” Old black beard from the dense cover of dwarf face under the eyes look UFA young dwarf, non-disabled and non-Xu replied: “Fort tielu pure tobacco, the taste of wine than mine more rich, more savored. However, “laughed the old dwarf rare, are not laughing at I do not know,” I do not recommended at this age you will be very familiar with the taste. “Dwarven one young man’s face slightly red, hastened to explain with the tone, direction of the companion around the fire: “I at my father’s side is also to be a long time, will gradually familiar with the taste, what there is is not obsessed with, just felt very warm, a smell that smell, they think something closer to home. ” Creaked pile sitting next to the fire, except that the old black-bearded dwarf, a dwarf with two brunette one small man and a woman, humans, dwarves young man listening to TV drama, then, are some with a slightly. Brunette small dwarf that suddenly raised his head toward the old dwarf asked: “Grandpa, can you talk about the ancient story of the ancient valley you? I want to know how in the end he became a Paladin! Him if there is a good way, I also want to be grown up Paladin! ” Oh, the world’s second dwarf Paladin you? Dwarf the minds of the old one slightly moving. Old dwarf dwarf not look to small fire in the video at face little face, childlike brunette under the light, a pair of big eyes. This double-eye, as if anything is worth trying. Really like. Think Road, the old dwarf. A little old dwarf silent about the cigarette butts to burn has not been on wiping out at a rock, and then closed the half cigarette tin in a small yard. It looked at the old men and women to human dwarf not ease out slowly, do not smoke, but with some hope, men will be straight ahead before the half, the women will be up to something close to a Man and quietly at night in this journey looking forward to the story of the old dwarf.